Rating the E-beefs

Hit ’em up

I thought about posting something with Brian Patch getting arrested for sexually congressing a 15-year-old (girl) but the general reaction among the skateboard sphere has been “dude have you SEEN 15-year-old girls lately?! OMG” so I’ll take a pass, unless it turns into a hilarious circus similiar to the current R Kelly trial. Which we all hope that it will.

Instead let us turn to the blog-o-sphere itself, which has been more entertaining than usual lately, what with the willingness of pros and other industry types to air one another out. Since most of these people still have a dog in the skateboard fight, a lot of the shots are pretty passive-aggressive, making the whole thing even more high-schoolish than the industry usually is… and not nearly as entertaining as the bridge-burning tirades posted by the likes of Kris Markovich and Henry Sanchez. But we’ll make do.

Rather than running down the fascinating minutia of each dust-up, which everybody probably knows already, I’ll summarize and pass judgment upon each battle, as is my wont, and employ the hard-won experience gained in my 15 years of internet usage… all the way back to impersonating John Fogarty in Prodigy chatrooms.

Clyde Singleton v. Jamie Thomas

Recap: So our old friend Clyde, who seems to take great pleasure in letting everyone know he’s no longer a pro skateboarder, has come out as a Sheckler apologist, joining the rarified ranks of Danny Way, Rob Dyrdek and, uh, Sheckler’s parents. Separately, Jamie Thomas took it upon himself to explain to Danny Way his perception of the whole “Sheckler Is Ruining Skateboarding” school of thought, a conversation that Danny Way apparently related to Sheckler, who no doubt spent several days contemplating this in solitude before placing Jamie Thomas into the “haters” camp, and letting the world know in the Skateboard Mag. For what it’s worth, Sheckler has insinuated that Thomas is boring in earlier interviews.

Anyway. Clyde gets hate mail for coming out in defense of Sheckler. (I personally interpret Clyde’s thumbs-up as general approval for anyone who’s young, good at skating, raking in money and rolling in chicks, as opposed to a thoroughly researched view on Sheckler’s video parts and MTV persona.) Clyde responds to Sheckler haters on his blog, naming Thomas amongst their kind and taking thinly veiled shots at the Zero chieftan for the usual handrail fetish, playing dress up with riders, and issuing trick lists. Thomas, a new inductee to the hallowed church of internet discourse, responds; much back-pedaling and over-explanation by Clyde ensues.

Powers of reasoning: Clyde’s TWS “15 Reasons You Hate Ryan Sheckler” would have come off half-baked even in an environment not already permeated with “Sheckler vs. Haters” coverage, but I think I get his angle, maybe. Jamie Thomas, the injured/misquoted party here, is pretty civil calling Clyde out for getting the story wrong and keeps it classy, though it’s a little bit scary that he’s right there with the second comment after Clyde’s post went up. Clyde may have a point re: the tight rein Jamie Thomas keeps when it comes to his image, but it’s lost amid all the “you got me wrong fam.” Edge: Jamie Thomas

Internet savvy: Clyde started a blog, but any idiot can. Jamie Thomas withstood the trials of the Slap board and his screen name survived to tell the tale, with a positive rep even. Clyde claims he doesn’t read the comments on his own site. Yeah, sure. Edge: Jamie Thomas

Career: This is a tough one. Jamie Thomas changed the game with Welcome to Hell, etc etc, but Clyde came up in the World camp and rode with Sal through Aesthetics. JT did the leap of faith but Clyde fakie b/s tailslid Hubba Hideout. So it’s close. Draw

Dollars: What it all comes down to, right? Edge: Jamie Thomas (obviously)

What animals they would be: Jamie Thomas has employed lions and eagles in the past but I see him as more of a horse. Clyde would maybe be a hyena. Edge: Clyde Singleton

Winner: Jamie Thomas

Dave Carnie v. Bob Burnquist

Recap: This has been a long-simmering one, with Carnie being one of the few to openly call out Bob Burnquist for watching Jake Brown’s legendary slam at the X-games, playing up the drama and gravity of the situation prior to his last run and then winning a contest that would have otherwise gone to the fallen Brown. Carnie, for better or worse, tends not to hold his tongue on shit, and his take on the whole Jake Brown thing voiced a lot of people’s dissatisfaction with Bob for his general tendency to not keep it real at all.

Powers of reasoning: Bob rightly called out Carnie on not contacting him for his side of the story, although Bob’s side of the story was already told in numerous articles on the Jake Brown slam. Carnie agreed with Bob, admitted he was wrong, and big-upped Bob for handling his shit in an adult manner. Maybe, but Bob did wait until Carnie called him to skate his ramp to finally broach the issue… Edge: Bob Burnquist

Internet savvy: Dave Carnie has a blog, which he acknowledged should probably be afforded higher journalistic standards than ‘write whatever the fuck I feel.’ Bob Burnquist is a vegan hippie who grows his own vegetables. Edge: Dave Carnie

Career: I don’t know how to go about comparing the career of an X-Games champ to one of the handful of skateboard magazine writers who isn’t also a photographer. Dave Carnie probably has more street cred, and we all know how far that goes. Edge: Bob Burnquist

Dollars: Bob hasn’t let his hippiefied leanings stand in the way of carving 100-foot-tall ramps into the sides of mountains, or grinding giant handrails that drop off into the Grand Canyon. Does he also own a helicopter? I can’t remember. Edge: Bob Burnquist

What animals would they be: Dave Carnie is often associated with cats, but despite his fluffy beard and happy-go-lucky approach to life, his analytical nature and self-destructive tendencies bely a deeper anger and perhaps some bitterness too. So maybe an elephant seal. Bob I would maybe say is a falcon. Formidable, but also kind of a priss. Edge: Dave Carnie

Winner: Dave Carnie… because he’s able to admit when he’s wrong, and because I think he was basically right about the Bob/Jake situation.

Ted Barrow v. Ryan Sheckler

Recap: Kind of a one-sided beef here, but with Barrow dedicating a lengthy blog post to the Sheckler issue and drawing parallels to the assholish nature of a young Danny Way, someone with Sheckler’s black-and-white worldview could promptly file Barrow into the haters category.

Powers of reasoning: Barrow acknowledges Sheckler’s argument, which is that Way was a child prodigy pro way back when, and he’s respected now, so you haters, you shut up. But Barrow points out that Danny Way, asshole that he may have been as a kid, came up through the usual channels of the day–contests, videos and photos–where he was judged on his skating first and foremost, whereas Sheckler is being savaged in the court of public opinion for his life of cryin’, rather than his skate tricks.

I don’t think Barrow takes this far enough though. By all means, let’s evaluate Sheckler on the basis of his skating alone—what’s he got? Big kickflips, backside flips, some stock handrail tricks and a tuck-knee air that got played out a couple years ago. I think it’s the opposite—Sheckler is in the spot he’s in because of his personality, not his skating. And though they may be brothers in youthful assholedom, Sheckler or anyone else equating his skill to a young Danny Way—the kid who almost landed the 900 a good eight or nine years before Tony Hawk—is way off. Anyway. Edge: Barrow

Career: Sheckler has an MTV show about himself. Here’s Ted Barrow’s part in Lurkers 2. He can do switch b/s smith grinds on ledges. Edge: Barrow

Dollars: Sheckler makes that Mountain Dew money. Barrow seems like the starving artist type, although I guess he could be a secret trust fund case, like a certain videographer might be. Edge: Sheckler

What animals they would be: Barrow would be a barn owl, of modest means, but maybe a little bit pretentious, and he eats mice. Sheckler would be a Pomeranian. Edge: Barrow

Winner: Ted Barrow, in a walk.


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8 Responses to “Rating the E-beefs”

  1. paulote Says:

    such an awesome reading. I love your articles man.


  2. Watson Says:

    Great post!

    What about York Vs. Bob K?

    What about Ed & Trapasso Vs. whoever the douchebag is who updates the Darkstar site? Let’s get a part two!

  3. cop3 Says:

    what about k. huges vs. j. rogers
    either way great post

  4. hustlemania Says:

    this guy= a fokkin joke. 1st. there was never no “beef”. yknow what “beef” is? or do you just suggest these things to get follks to read this Perez Hilton-esque fokkery. in the first blog entry- it says plainly “with all due respect..” then you(and whoever else cant comprehend a sentence) go on to think, as well as write stupid shyt like this:
    “Clyde responds to Sheckler haters on his blog, naming Thomas amongst their kind and taking thinly veiled shots at the Zero chieftan for the usual handrail fetish, playing dress up with riders, and issuing trick lists.”

    “thinly veiled shots” in your world= i cant comprehend a sentence.. ill let you in on something- even Jamie ACKNOWLEDGED TO ME PERSONALLY VIA EMAIL, THAT HE’D “READ INTO IT THE WRONG WAY”. i wasnt, and dont “back pedal”. i said i have respect for Jamie(numerous times). WE ARE LONGTIME FRIENDS. JAMIE SPEAKS ON THIS IN THE SAME BLOG. YOU. OBVIOUSLY CANT COMPREHEND. or dont want to so people read ya gossip blog. .. and you think we’re beefing?!?! fokkin clown!

    then your lame, probly never had a job doing worth speaking on/salty 1989-shop sponsored ass, writes some shyt like this.. you my frined, are the lamest gossiping/wish people would read my blog loser on the net. you tell half truths, which makes you half a man.. i think you said it best- “any idiot can have a blog”. with the look of yours- you proved your own point.

    oh yeah- any grown man that discusses/compares 2 grown mens career, MONEY, or anything of that nature- is straight up gay.. you should have a comprehensive talk with your Father about your life, and where he went wrong..

    in closing, i like how ya had ya tongue up Carnies ass(no homo) for “apologizing”, and Bob for being an “adult about things”- but then cant COMPREHEND Jamie and I doing the same.. “back pedaling”. `yousa puzzy.. kick rocks, geekboy

    peace to everyone else…

  5. Pic Says:

    Holy fucking over reaction Clyde. Dude wrote a humorous opinion piece about some recent shit that went down in public between skaters. That’s it. You response makes you seem pretty sensitive to any possible shots to your ego. You got all bent out of shape cause he said you “back peddled”. God forbid you ever misspoke. Your comments to Jamie about sending trick lists and what clothes to wear for them is a shot or dig or whatever you want to call it. Just cause you say it isn’t, doesn’t make it so.

    And the line about anyone who discusses/compares two people’s careers, work etc is gay is straight retarded. So by that measure, when Kenny and Charles compare Duncan and Garnett’s careers, they’re homo. Folks do that everyday man, be it for music, sports, writing, or whatever. You’re pressing on this one.

  6. SB Says:

    Clyde how about this from your reply to JT:

    “-no disrespect, but youre starting to come off as really insecure- over absolutely nothing.”

    Maybe you should remind yourself, it’s nothing.

    And for the record I know I’d rather have my tongue up Carnie’s ass than yours. He seems like he wipes better.

  7. le_muge Says:

    You know what bothers me with Clyde? It’s his ability to always forget himself when he calls out other people. “10 skaters with less than 10 tricks”? Clyde did a fakie back tail at Hubba, had a good 360 flip in whatever World videos from 18 years ago, and oh yeah, he could do fside halcab nose slides at some point. Since then? Nothing, besides of course dissing Shiloh because he grabs off boardslides -which makes Shiloh’s tricks 254% more creative than Singleton’s whole career, by the way. When was your last decent part, Doctor Justice?

    … then comes this “10 ways washed-up skaters keep on milking it” or whatever. Very true, Andy Mac has a pogo-stick sponsor but hey Clyde, couldn’t you have thought of a 11th way? No? “Start a blog, and become not totally forgotten, only because of it”.

    Just saying.

  8. shiiiit Says:

    shiiits fukin tight son
    post up some more of your PIFFery
    and fuck Jamie Thomas 2

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